If your business is built on vibes, voice notes, and vague reminders, this episode will either change your life—or call you out (in the best way). When I sat down with today’s guest, I wasn’t expecting to walk away newly inspired to overhaul my task list. But that’s what happens when you talk to someone who doesn’t just use systems… she lives them.
In this episode of System for Everything, Tia Goff takes us behind the scenes of how she runs a photography business, manages a growing content studio, and still finds time for book clubs and plant care—all thanks to her secret weapon: Asana.
Whether you’ve opened a project management tool twelve times and abandoned it every single time, or you’re ready to stop being the bottleneck in your own business, this conversation will change the way you think about structure, systems, and freedom.
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Why You Need to Upgrade Your Project Management System
Like many creatives, Tia and her husband Cameron started small with just the two of them with occasional contractor support. They used Trello for a while, but once they hired their first full-time employee, the cracks started to show.
What they needed wasn’t just a place to store tasks. They needed a system where task dependencies were built-in and one action would automatically unlock the next step for the right person at the right time.
That’s where Asana came in. With repeatable templates, workflow automations, and robust team management features, it became not just a tool, but the business brain behind everything they do.
How Tia Organizes Her Business in Asana
Tia’s setup is deceptively simple:
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Two main boards: General Operations and Personal Life
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Additional boards for areas with high task volume, like Editing
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Repeatable task templates with clear workflows and dependencies
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Contractors and part-time team members assigned only to what’s relevant to them
By compartmentalizing each part of the business, Tia can work in focused blocks and keep multiple brands running without overlap or chaos. Whether it’s a wedding editing workflow or an upcoming brand partnership, every moving part lives in its place.
The Power of Long-Term Planning in Asana
Tia’s favorite use of Asana? Long-term planning and mental clarity.
She doesn’t just use it for current tasks, but instead she uses it to offload mental clutter. When a new idea pops up (a course she wants to build, a content series she wants to pitch), she creates a task, assigns it a future due date, and lets it live quietly until she’s ready.
No more carrying it around. No more forgotten sticky notes. Just a system that makes future-you grateful.
Using Asana for Personal Life: From Plants to Renovations
Yes, Tia’s a business systems whiz, but she might be even more passionate about how Asana helps her at home.
She uses it to:
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Track plant care schedules
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Manage house projects and renovations
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Organize personal errands
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Even remember vet and dentist appointments
Each task has its own timing, structure, and dependencies. Her plants are thriving. Her to-dos aren’t lost. Her weekends are actually relaxing.
But Isn’t That… a Lot?
Not really. In fact, Tia’s whole point is that systems create space, not stress. Tools like Asana are too rigid or corporate for creative entrepreneurs.
In reality, they’re the exact opposite. They’re the thing that lets you get out of your head and into flow.
For the Asana-Curious but Commitment-Phobic
If you’ve tried tools like this before and quit? Tia gets it. Her advice: make it collaborative.
When you have someone relying on you, like a VA, a contractor, or even your retired dad planning season tickets, it makes you more accountable to the system you set up.
Start small and add one repeatable process. See how it feels.
And remember: it’s not about perfection. It’s about freedom.
Mentioned in this Episode
- Woodworking
- Educated by Tara Westover
- The Hunger Games series
- Gone Girl
- Harry Potter series
- The Devil Wears Prada by Lauren Weisberger
Connect with Tia
- cameronandtia.com
- instagram.com/cameronandtia
- facebook.com/CameronandTiaPhotography
- youtube.com/channel/UCuh56FQQj-q0KBbK5-A9ksA/featured
Review the Transcript
Julie: Welcome back to the System for Everything podcast. Today’s system tip. If you move yesterday’s overdue task to tomorrow, it’s no longer late. It’s visionary planning. Today’s guest, Tia Goff is one half of the husband and wife brand Cameron and Tia. She is a wedding photographer and hosting connoisseur, in addition to running their Midwest based photography team of 10, they’re also content creators sharing about event planning.
Community gathering and tia’s Health Journey. TIA is a diehard Minnesota Links stand. Go Women’s sports and loves to Travel. Welcome Tia. Love it. So excited to be here. Thank you so much for being here. We actually met through Lele Amma’s Creative Educator Conference and we have both been there all three years, but we never really like got to talking or anything until.
This past year because I thought you were really cool and I was a little intimidated by you. You and your husband create awesome video content and I was like, oh, I’ll never be that cool. But then we ended up sitting together at lunch one day and I was like, oh, I’m obsessed with her.
Tia: Julie. No, it’s. The opposite.
It’s Cameron and I running around trying to vlog at Creative Educator Conference. Being really obnoxious, I think is actually it. We’re just going like, you disagree. Balls the walls. Balls the walls. And yeah. It just never worked out that Julie and I got sat next to each other. We were never kind of in the same circles.
And then this year when it happened, I was like, yes, this is it. This is
Julie: the energy. Alright everyone, we are gonna start as we always do with the system, reboot a quick reset to start our episode with some humor and humanity. What is a mundane task that you secretly enjoy?
Tia: Ooh, okay. I love a lot of mundane house tasks.
Um, me too. I would say weeding. I’m very into weeding. We have very small garden beds, and weeding is just so therapeutic. It’s just like, ugh. I’m one with nature. I’m just chilling for a hot second, just pulling out those satisfying weeds. I love it.
Julie: Alright, you can only use one emoji for an entire year.
What are you committing to?
Tia: Oh, Julie, I was nervous for this section of the pod because I was like, she’s gonna have some good hard hitting questions and this is hard hitting.
Julie: That’s me. Intense journalism all the way.
Tia: This is kind of a lame choice, but I think I need something that applies to enough scenarios.
So I think I’m using the sparkle emoji. It’s probably my most used. I think it can just add a little like ju to a lot of different topics of conversation. A lot of different scenarios. Plus it could be ironic, you know, just sparkle on top of things of like, no, I’m busy. Sparkle is what I’m thinking.
Julie: And finally, what childhood obsession are you still not over?
Tia: Hmm. Okay. I am thinking. Oh, you know what? Call back to my intro. Women’s sports. I think women’s sports can’t be beat. I mean, there’s a resurgence happening right now. I was a little sporty, girly when I was growing up. Um, I was a Lynx fan, which is the WNBA team in Minnesota. And now just my full passion. I love lore.
I love women, I guess, and it combos those two things. And so it’s just being full, brought back ball walls.
Julie: I love that I read everyone. You have met the personality. Now meet the Powerhouse. Today, Tia is walking us through how she’s turned a task management tool into a full blown business brain and how you can do the same even if your current system is mostly vibes and sticky notes.
Here’s my conversation with Tia on the system for making AANA your business brain. All right, so let’s go back to the beginning because no one’s. First try with the project management system is ever smooth. Do you remember the first time you ever opened Asana? What were you hoping it would help you with?
How quickly did you abandon it, if at all?
Tia: Yeah, totally. So a little history, uh, previous. To Asana. My husband, Cameron and I, were the only two people full-time in our business and we had some contractors here and there, but it would be like VA support for eight months and then that would filter out into someone else or an editor that would come on for a year.
Um, so very like sporadic. It was mainly just the two of us. We were previously using Trello, and so I do wanna put a note here. We’re currently on Asana. I am not saying that everyone needs to be on Asana. I’m not a diehard for Asana. Like any tool, like any system, find what works for you. Asana is what works for us.
Yeah. And we’re gonna, systems are not
Julie: one size fits all. Totally. And there’s, there’s plenty that I’m like, like for me, I will never use Trello ’cause my brain does not. Work visually that way. Like I’m an asana girly, but like I totally get why a lot of people like it.
Tia: Absolutely. And so we were in that boat where we were using Trello and we had brought on our first full-time employee.
At that point, we needed something more robust, and the biggest thing that we needed is what it’s called an asana, is dependencies. We needed something where the second that I checked off a task, it would then show that it was available for the next person, this full-time employee, or it would show it was available for Cameron and it would.
Only show then the hole that we found in a lot of other tools is that those tasks were always available for everyone. They were kind of like up for grabs and it was not time sensitive where our business, I wanted to be removed from having to email or DM someone like, Hey, this is done. Now you can get to work.
That was such a time suck for me, and that was the main time suck for me. We needed a tool that was very robust, literally in that one. Category and Asana is it? So when we open up Asana for the first time, we dug into the dependencies. We dug into creating workflows, creating templates that had workflows that were solely they, they ran on their own right.
They worked from Cameron to the full-time employee to our other contractor back to me, and they could be repeatable over and over again. And I’ll be honest, the second that I got that, because I had such a problem and this solved that problem wholly. I was set. I did not go off Asana after that. So now we’ve been on Asana for six years and um, I did not waiver because again, there was such a hole and it filled that hole.
And now I know I couldn’t be without that.
Julie: That turning point is like such a key moment. I think when you find that system that totally works for you. I mean, especially when your business starts growing faster than let’s say like your Post-It notes can handle. I mean, so as your business expanded, you know, hiring associates, offering education, how did your use of Asana evolve alongside that?
Tia: Yeah. Um, the most obvious thing is that it just expanded and expanded. One thing that I do really love about Asana, and it does have this in a lot of other project management tools, it has boards, and the boards can be very separated. They can become their own containers, and those containers can live as is, but yet they can still show up on contractors.
Task list as one long task list. So it kind of solved those two problems. When we started building out associates for our wedding photography, those tasks could still be containers where if I knew I was just digging into this one part of the business, I could, and that could exist, but then someone who worked very part-time for us, a contractor.
Could look holistically and could see all these different tasks that they needed to get to. So it kind of allowed my brain to compartmentalize a bit more, especially when we started Debbie RTO in education. And that, you know, is a completely different business type. A lot of people like to say that your brand will go throughout that, but really you’re building a brand new business.
And so that allowed me to compartmentalize and me to just tap into certain categories on certain days or for certain working blocks throughout my days.
Julie: So I wanna kind of open up your Asana. You mentioned the boards and I wanna say like have you share how the magic actually happens? Like organize chaotic somewhere in between.
What are your must have templates? Tags or automations that just keep everything flowing?
Tia: Yeah, so how we have this is we have different boards for different categories of the business of large sections, right? Within there we will have 10 up to 20 task templates that are repeatable workflows that we use every single day.
Those are always going, so for example, for our business, so we’re primarily wedding photographers. We primarily have our associates that are photographing. We mentioned education, Cameron and I have now. Stepped more and more away from education because we just love our associates. But the other thing that was mentioned is we ha we do a lot of content creation.
So content creation for other brands. Okay. So context there. We have a general operations board. We have a general personal board. Those two are by far our largest boards. Those boards have a lot of lists within there, which is just, that’s actually very similar to Trello. Those who are familiar, those lists will be categories, um, like.
Yard work or like our interior home or like our, um, errands. All of those then may have task templates underneath them. Um, other subcategories that are within our businesses that hold a lot of weight. For example, we have all of our associates, we have about 45 weddings a year. We are post-processing a ton of images.
We have an entire board that is editing and because. Editing has so many subcategories, it needs to take up its own width. So it has, um, all sorts of different types of post-processing categories, whether it’s a senior, whether it’s one of our team weddings, whether it’s a personal wedding that Cameron and I shot because those workflows have slight variances.
We then have task templates for all of those that are just slightly different variations that are removing one step, removing the third step, and then. All of those task templates have dependencies that then involve our contractors. For example, when we’re sending out to get a wedding called like narrowed down and then it comes back to us.
All of those test templates, so our main boards are a general operation and a personal life board, but then we have some categories like editing that have a lot of weight to them that need ha hold their own space.
Julie: How do you use it for kind of sorting those daily tasks versus the long-term planning? I mean, is it more fluid or is there like kind of a, a structure to it?
Tia: Yeah, no, here is the key. I think long-term tasks or tasks that you don’t want to be in your brain anymore. Why entrepreneurs need a task management system. We’ve talked a lot, a lot about like these daily tasks, right, that are repeatable workflows and yeah, these are happening constantly. They happen once a week for us, or they happen five times a week for us.
Yeah, you need that. You definitely need that as an entrepreneur, but. I think a lot of entrepreneurs are, and the reason they’re successful is they’re constantly thinking about the next thing. They’re constantly thinking about this and, oh, I should explore this, and, oh, I forgot about this education that I wanted to do and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, that.
I put mine my
Julie: parking lot list,
Tia: Uhhuh. That consumes so much mental energy until it’s physically or tangibly put on a parking lot list. Asana acts as a parking lot list for me, and it takes it one step further. It’s not just a list, it’s that I can assign it to a certain timeframe in which I know I’ll have capacity.
So if a project comes to me and I’m like, Ooh, I definitely wanna explore this, I will not be able to get to this, to this for six months. I’m not gonna put it on some random post-it and hope in six months. I remember. I’m going to put together a task in Asana that then pops back up in six months. And if, when we get six months out and I’m like, ah, this is no longer priority.
Perfect delete or perfect move it farther out. I have the, uh, capability and the, uh, like the processing power to be able to make those choices instead of just putting it on random notes or hoping that I’ll get to it or having it on a random Google doc that I hope that I can check off at some point. It instead get gets those things out of your brain and puts them tangibly somewhere.
Julie: I think sometimes the real test of a system isn’t just, if it works for you, it’s how it works when other people you bring on use it too. So how did you bring your team into Asana? I know you were really using it kind of before the team was in place, but. Are they deep in it every day? Are they checking it just at key moments?
Tia: Yeah, so in the initial phase when we had our first full-time employee that was taking over a lot of our course creation, she was taking over a lot of our day-to-day with photography clients. So she kind of had her toes dipped in two different places. Mm-hmm. She only worked out of as. And that was the goal that was fully set and forget it on my end of, she’s either creating new task templates for herself when triggers arise.
For example, an email comes in and now she needs to process a questionnaire or something. She goes to that task template and then she just works straight through that. Or I was assigning things that maybe had video tutorials, had a loom video attached, and she solely worked out of that. If she needed to manage her schedule, she was then able to comment on there and say, Hey, T, I’m not gonna be able to get to this.
Can I move this to next week? Or can I move this to next Friday? So that was her full home base and I loved. That was the goal. And, and that’s really why I never left then, because it just made sense for us to have people that were fully reliant on this. And so now that’s the same thing depending on, um, different people’s roles in our team.
Some of them, you know, only work five hours a week for us, but all of their tasks are in Asana. And Asana is really, really friendly to just be able to add people and maybe. Most of these people who work, you know, just a little bit for us and work for others as well. Don’t use Asana otherwise. And that’s fine.
They just come in for their tasks from us. Or if they do use Asana for other people, it’s actually really friendly for that as well. Um, that you can just switch between tabs and it switches between your accounts and it makes it really handy for contractors to then be able to do a little here. Oop, now they switch over to a different account that they manage and they can see that right there.
Um, so it’s really friendly in that way, but depending on people’s involvement. It depends on how involved they are then with us. But, um, when we had our full-time employee, sh that was purely, she worked off of that and it was lovely.
Julie: Have there been any like funny or silly or like almo even frustrating moments getting people to actually use the system?
Tia: Yeah, that’s a really good question. Um. I will say my husband Cameron, and I worked off of no project management system for a few years in the beginning, which was great because actually we love to have a very separated business. Cam is responsible for this. I am responsible for this. I am the CEO of this.
If I have some variables, you know, some really unique case that comes in, of course I’m gonna discuss with him. But what works best for us being married and. Like wanting to maintain our personal lives is to have it separated. And so we didn’t have a lot of overlapping
Julie: tasks. That could be, that could be an entire other episode.
I need to get like you guys on and, and Brett and Brandy on like, ’cause I could, I love my husband more than I love anyone else in the whole world and I could never work with him. I get that. So I’m always fascinated by that.
Tia: Yes, yes. It’s, it’s a whole new world. Absolutely. And so when we were initially working completely that way.
It worked to not have a project management tool for us until once we got Asana and we started getting deep in it, it started to make sense to have more overlapping tasks. ’cause now we’re like, we can have dependent things. Wow. We can utilize our strengths even more. Like we were kind of turning a blind eye to things of like, nah, teel just handle this entire thing in here.
Even though Cam had some value in that workflow of like, Ooh, cam could really bring something to this. So. All that to say, both funny and frustrating. I think it was revealing that Then a task management tool revealed to us like, Hey, we’re really under utilizing each other. Frustrating is now we work a lot more side by side because we have more things.
So now there’s a lot more of like, Hey, are you gonna make this deadline where that didn’t really exist before?
Julie: What is one thing I wanna stick to the household side of things because I find that fascinating, like that you used to manage manually and it now runs completely automatically in Asana.
Tia: Yes.
Okay. So two things. I get that we have to have Asana for our business now, but I love it so much more for the personal tasks. I absolutely love having all of our cleaning tasks. I will say we don’t have a lot that is fully automated coming out of Asana, for example. I think we probably have some holes where like I need to figure out.
Using Zapier in some way to like every six months when I need to make my dentist appointment. How can I get that to connect with my dentist’s scheduling calendar? I have not connected that yet. Oh, nice. You know what I mean? So yeah, I will say we’re under utilizing it there. ’cause I’m sure there’s definitely some workarounds now that I could figure out some like scheduling calendars for like my dog’s vet appointment and that kind of thing.
The part that is not fully automated. But automates my mind is having weekly reminders of watering our plants, especially all the different types of plants. Our plants thrive post Asana, like. Because I actually sat down and I researched how often does this specific plant need me to water it versus just like blanket statement, oh, should I water now?
Yeah. I think I’m gonna water every single plant in our house and they have specific care needs, so I, they’re gonna start
Julie: selling a sauna subscriptions and gardening centers. Honestly, it would make sense. Yeah. Very valid. I think that a lot of creatives feel. Almost allergic to tools like this. Like they wanna, you know, oh, stay in the flow.
I don’t wanna be like in a spreadsheet. I mean, it’s not a spreadsheet, but it’s, you know, I guess kind of a glorified, beautiful spreadsheet. How do you keep Asana from feeling too rigid or too corporate in a creative business?
Tia: Okay, so I think the biggest thing is, um, I have a local. Peer LED mastermind where no one in that mastermind was using any sort of project management tool until I started talking about Asana and the game changer for them.
The mentality shift was what we talked about earlier, about about the parking lot, list about that. Being an entrepreneur consumes so much of your life. Your brain is constantly go Gogo, and I truly feel as though the way that I use it. Just to give me some white space is to give me time to sit down and read and not think about anything that has to do with entrepreneurship, because if it does ping into my brain, I will immediately pick up my phone, put a task in Asana, and so I think that is the game changer of like entrepreneurship.
I get us wanting to be. Free wanting us to live with no bounds, wanting us to ditch the corporate hustle. But I actually think this allows it, yes, it allows you to release it and allows yourself to have that creative flow because you know there’s nothing you have to get done because you have to get done are already in Asana, it’ll tell you when you need it.
Um, so I think it’s really a mentality shift that allows us to have that freedom and have that flow by relying on a system.
Julie: Do you use it for any other, like, um, personal tasks like your, your reading lists or home projects? I mean like, um, oh, we’re redoing our kitchen. Or like a meal planning even.
Tia: Yeah. Um, definitely house renovations.
For sure because all of those things are dependencies. They’re dependencies over and over of. I need to call and get a quote. Okay? Now once we get this quote, we can then figure out this. We can then do this next step. We can then get our tree installed. Um, we just got a chance. Okay. I’ve gotta use
Julie: dependencies more.
Tia: Yeah. The dependencies are honestly what makes it for me. So we definitely do it for home reno, um, for things like a reading list. I was thinking on this more. I don’t, and I need to figure out a way to make my Asana even more cutesy. It actually leans into your last question. I think I would pursue it more for like, um, kind of brainstorm lists of like, what am I reading next?
If I added more like. Photos and like some Canva elements or like a Pinterest photo. Um, I just don’t personally, ’cause I’m not gravitated towards that Uhhuh. If I’m gonna be doing something fun, I want to be full out Fun. Yeah. And my reading is fun for me. So that’s one place where I don’t overlap enough.
But I will say, again, I’m not stuck on Asana, but Asana does allow you to do that. You can add photos and you can make all sorts of things cutesy if you’d like
Julie: for someone who has opened a project management tool. 12 different times and abandon it every single time. What would you say to help them try it your way?
Tia: Yes. Okay. Number one, if you can keep reframing that mentality shift of this will give me more freedom, this will give me more flow. Boom, that’s key. But number two, I think a lot of keys in entrepreneurship is making things dependent on other people. Um, if you can get someone involved, like you have a brand new VA that’s gonna be working for you, oh, perfect time to get into Asuna and make yourself stick to it because you want it to be successful for her.
Right? And so maybe you’re not hiring someone, but you have someone that’s like lightly involved in your business. They’re working five hours a week. Or, um, maybe my dad is retired at home, we wanna buy season links, tickets together. I’m going to create some tasks that are involving him so that he has some dependencies.
I have some dependencies and I have to stick to it because I brought it to the table for him, right? So that’s a light example, but I just feel like the more that you can make other things reliant on other people, the more that a lot of personality types are going to stick to something. If you have this accountability element to it.
I love that. Okay, Tia, tell everyone where they can find you online. Yay. So with my husband, Cameron, um, all of our accounts are just our names, Cameron and Tia. There you’ll find all sorts of hosting content. We love to host all of the parties, all of the light activities, and there will be another
Julie: TIA episode.
Around
Tia: hosting guys. It’s gonna be epic. You’re the best. Which, you know, hosting is gonna be all intermingled with Asana as well. I love it.
Julie: All right, so Tia and I, something we have bonded on is that we are both massive readers. You can check out both of our Instagrams for book highlights. So for this shutdown, I actually asked Tia to bring her.
Top three books she wishes she could reread for the first time. You know, the ones that that wrecked her in a good way, kept her up way too late or just made her wanna scream, text a friend every few chapters. So I’m gonna let Tia go with her three first. Oh,
Tia: I love it. Um, I will have it be known that I spent about an hour on this.
Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry. Oh no. It was so fun. No, I loved it. Um, I had to go through, ’cause this is a tricky question because it’s not my all time favorite reads or like necessarily most impactful reads. Maybe mine gonna commingle. It’s that I wanna read over again. Okay, so number one is a book called Woodworking.
I read it this year. It was recommended in my book club. And woodworking is about two trans women that live in South Dakota. One is a teacher, one is a student. Um, there’s no romantic relationship there, caveat, that’s very important. And they are just the two trans women that they know. They’ve never really met anyone else that it’s trans.
And what was most impactful for me and why I would wanna read it again from the beginning is the teacher is. Actively transitioning. I had selfishly spent a lot of time personally considering trans people in general in our world and how negative the world is towards them. Mm-hmm. But I had not spent a lot of time thinking through the actual act of transitioning the choices that you’re making, the ways that you are considering, like, if I present this wave when I go to Walmart, how will that come to be?
And, um, I, I have literally thought about it every single day since I read woodworking. It has completely changed. I don’t know a lot of my perspective on life and, um, read, reading it. Oh God, read it. It, it’s, it’s a wonderful read. Something that’s interesting about it is the student is really, I, I would say like jokey, like it’s a very satirical read.
It’s very entertaining because it has a lot of funny elements to it. Plus it is very impactful. So woodworking is number one. Sorry. That was a, and if
Julie: you are like me, and anytime you like hear a book, see a book, you’re like screenshotting it, taking photos, writing it down. Um, we will have these books all linked in, these show notes.
Tia: You’re amazing. Um, number two, is the book educated? It was a very popular book. Maybe. So good? Yes. Okay. Yes. Love. Um, so it’s Tara Westover. It’s a memoir. It’s about a woman who grew up, um, in a survivalist Mormon family and. Idaho and it’s, she goes through a lot of physical emotional abuse, trigger warning.
Um, it is a very, I think it’s a very hard read, but it is, she steps into a classroom for the first time when she’s 17, she ends up getting her PhD from Cambridge. So it’s just such an interesting story. It’s, again, one that has really stayed with me and the reason I would wanna read it over again is I felt like everything just like boom, boom, like hit me throughout the entire story of like, yeah.
Whoa. I could not even imagine the impact of growing up this way. So, really interesting read. Yeah. My final one is a little bit more lighthearted. I, um, have always been into the Hunger game movies. I had never read the Hunger Games books, and I read them for the first time actually this year as well. And I absolutely love them.
I love lore. I love, like, oh, how does this person interact with this person? Like what are they thinking about this? And the books, they just give you so much more lore. They are just lovely reads. But um, also reading them this year was very interesting thinking about the current climate of the US and I feel like the Hunger Games are just really reflective of a lot of things currently going on, uh, which is scary.
But they are a lovely read. Have you read them? Um, I have not
Julie: read hundred games. Okay. Yeah, it’s interesting. Still haven’t seen the movies.
Tia: Oh, whoa, Julie.
Julie: No, you’re gonna hear my list. And this is gonna sound like it does not align with my list, but I’m really not a fantasy person. I, yeah, for, I don’t know, I just, most of it doesn’t really hit me Valid.
I get that. I get that. Oh, I love it. Okay. Hit me with yours. Okay, so my first one, I, none of mine are like. A word, acclaimed books. They’re just books that I think about a lot. Yes. And when people are like, oh, what’s like a good book? I need to get out of a slump. I’m like, what about this one? Yeah. Um, it’s gone girl.
I don’t think I, I love thrillers. There is, I am the person that is known for guessing the twist. I would say at least 80% of the time I get it and I’m right and I’m like, oh, well it was still good. But if a book can shock me, I mean, wow. And I read that moment, that twist while I was actually sitting in a middle seat on an airplane, and I, I gasped so loud and I woke up the man next.
Oh my goodness. But I just, I loved Gone girl. I thought it was so well done. Um, and
Tia: then next be okay. This is good to know. Wait, can, can you tell me this, Julia? I, I am scared of everything. Like, oh, sure. This is hard because I haven’t read Gone Girl, you haven’t read Hunger Games. But Hunger Games is my threshold for scariness.
Okay. Is Gong Girl like pretty spooky? Like
Julie: so. Everything I read that is thrillers. I don’t like anything supernatural. Okay. Like if it’s a vampire or a zombie or I don’t know, a witch or something, like, that’s fine. I get why those are popular, but that’s not my thing. Like my thing needs to be like a murderer.
Like it, this is horrible. But like it could happen in real life. Like that’s what’s scary to me and what’s good. So anytime I’m recommending a thriller, it’s like, oh. Kidnapping or murder or something like that. Like I, I don’t go like too weird and dark or anything, but it’s definitely gonna be on that side of the spectrum, not supernatural.
Yeah. So Gone girl specifically. I would say there are moments that are like scary and make you like, but like it’s not like you need to look behind the shower curtain. Scary. Like that. Okay. Okay. Yeah, I can maybe do it. We’ll see. Okay. All right. All right. And then I’ve got, I gotta go with I Harry Potter because Harry Potter came out the year that I was also like Harry 11 and the children’s librarian.
Recommended to me and I said, I don’t like fantasy. Even at that age, I was like not having it. And she said, just try it. And man, if I could reread that today, I mean, maybe because I’m not a child that wouldn’t feel as magical growing up with it, but I mean, magic just hits different when it’s brand new. I mean, I got to grow up alongside Harry Potter and Company and I, I hope that my.
Daughter falls in love with the books, and I hope that she gets a series like that in her life, like one that accompanies her as she grows. And then my third one is one of my all time favorite books. I have reread this book multiple times. Listened to it on audiobook. Oh, probably 20 times at least. Whoa.
It is. The Devil Wears Prada. I am the one person that will die on the hill. That the book is far superior to the movie. I know everyone loves the merril of it all, and I get it. She’s phenomenal. There’s nothing wrong with the movie, but they just made so many weird changes. Like in the book, the boyfriend is a teacher.
And then in the movie, he’s a chef. Why? Like there was no actual reason for like what, and like characters that were so much more important to like big things that happened in the book and like they changed one big thing. Mm-hmm. That I was like, how do you even. Like nobody gets why this is doesn’t work because you haven’t read the book.
And I just, I love also the sheer like stress and minutia of it all. Like I would say the first. Several chapters, like, I mean, Miranda’s not even in the book, she just, they’re talking about all the different, like office stuff and all this. They kind of go through all the systems and the man minutiae of it and the way they run that office, which obviously I think is very fascinating.
I get why that would be boring for a movie, but it’s just, it’s just a huge change that they made that I ate and yeah, I just, I love. The Devil Wears Prada Ultimate Comfort. Oh,
Tia: okay. This is bad, but I did not know that The Devil Wears Prada was a book. So I’ll get on it immediately. I’ll be on it and I’ll report back.
Oh my God. Please do. Thank you so much. Absolutely. I’m excited
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