If you want to figure out your Enneagram type the fast way, just launch a small business. Nothing reveals your core fears like client emails, overdue invoices, and writing your own bio.
Today, I’m talking with Enneagram coach, author, and self-awareness cheerleader Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober—aka Enneagram Ashton. Ashton’s a powerhouse in personal growth: speaker, professor, and community builder who helps people actually use the Enneagram to make confident, values-aligned decisions in work and life.
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From Insight to Action: How to Build an Enneagram-Aligned Business
Ever feel like your business is running you instead of the other way around? It might be time to look inward—and the Enneagram can help. I sat down with author, coach, and iced coffee enthusiast Ashton Whitt Moyer Ober (aka Enneagram Ashton) to talk about how understanding your Enneagram type isn’t just a personality flex—it’s a business strategy.
Most of us learn the hard way that hustle alone isn’t a sustainable growth plan. Systems matter. So does strategy. But neither of those will truly work unless they’re tailored to how you naturally operate—and that’s where the Enneagram comes in.
Why Knowing Your Number Isn’t Enough
Plenty of us know our type. (I’m an Eight. Loud and proud.) But Ashton is quick to point out that simply identifying your number is the first mile of a much longer journey. The Enneagram is meant to be actionable. Otherwise, it’s just another label.
It’s not about how you act—it’s about why you act that way.
So yes, you might be a visionary. But do you dream big to inspire others, to gain admiration, to avoid failure—or to maintain control? Your motivation shapes your behavior. And when you’re self-aware of that motivation, you can finally start building workflows, systems, offers, and communication strategies that align with your actual needs and strengths.
Entrepreneurial Traps (And Triumphs) by Type
Each Enneagram type has its own entrepreneurial edge—and its own blind spots. Ashton laid out a few common patterns:
- Ones (The Reformers) wait for perfection—and sometimes miss the momentum.
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Threes (The Achievers) chase visibility and productivity, sometimes at the cost of rest or reflection.
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Fours (The Individualists) may feel torn between passion and profitability, seeking depth over scale.
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Fives (The Investigators) want to conserve energy and avoid depletion, which can lead to hiding behind the work.
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Sixes (The Loyalists) struggle to trust their own decisions without reassurance.
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Sevens (The Enthusiasts) spark idea after idea but may leave a graveyard of unfinished projects.
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Eights (The Challengers) take charge—but can bulldoze without realizing it.
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Nines (The Peacemakers) avoid conflict and may delay big moves to keep the peace.
The key, Ashton says, is not to judge yourself—but to notice. That self-awareness opens the door to aligned decisions and sustainable success.
Building a Business That Doesn’t Burn You Out
If your business feels like it’s serving everyone but you, it’s time for a systems reset. Knowing your type gives you insight into what depletes you versus what energizes you.
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A Seven may thrive with project-based work that allows for variety and flexibility.
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A Two might need built-in boundaries to prevent over-giving.
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A Five might prefer asynchronous communication with clients to preserve energy.
Ashton recommends entrepreneurs use this self-knowledge to shape not just their offer suite, but also their pricing, client journey, marketing strategy, and even their team.
Team Dynamics and Enneagram Collaboration
Entrepreneurship isn’t a solo game. And the Enneagram shines in team settings too.
Ashton shares stories from her own experience: how a Three on her team helped her execute big ideas quickly, while a former Nine teammate smoothed over client tension Ashton would have rather avoided altogether.
Understanding how different types handle conflict, delegation, and decision-making creates more harmony—and fewer miscommunications.
Pro tip? Stop expecting your team to think like you. Expect them to operate like themselves.
What to Do If You’re Out of Alignment
So what if you’ve already built a business that exhausts you? Start at the beginning.
Explore your core motivations. Get honest about where you’re out of sync. And either build in support—or give yourself permission to rewire your strategy.
“You don’t know what you don’t know,” Ashton says. “And when you understand your Enneagram type, you finally start to see the path out of burnout.”
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Julie: Hey everyone. Welcome back to the System for Everything podcast. If you wanna figure out your Enneagram type the fast way, just launch a small business. Nothing reveals your core fears, like client emails, overdue invoices, and writing your own bio. Today’s guest is Enneagram coach, author, and the Internet’s most relatable self-awareness cheerleader.
Ashton Whitt. Moyer Ober. AKA, Enneagram, Ashton. She is a public speaker. Author, professor and Enneagram expert known for making self-awareness, feel empowering, not overwhelming. She helps people cut through the noise of who they think they should be so they can show up more confidently in their relationships, careers, and everyday lives.
Whether she’s leading a workshop, coaching clients, or building community through her membership. Ashton brings a fresh, relatable take on personal growth that’s equal parts insightful and encouraging. When she’s not teaching or speaking, you can find her chasing two kids watching documentaries with her husband or dreaming up her next big idea over a giant iced coffee.
Ugh, iced coffee girl after my own heart.
Ashton: Welcome Ashton. Thank you so much for being here. That’s making me forget that I was gonna make a iced coffee before this and then I didn’t. So
Julie: I’m planning on having one right after this. Yes. I will be joining you with that, that ice coffee directly in my veins, literally.
Yep. Thanks for having me. Oh my gosh. I’m so excited. You are. You have no idea what a absolute bucket list guest you are for me. I have been following you. Oh, I mean, just I guys, I recently met Ashton in person at Lele Amma’s Creative Educator Conference, and she’s everything that you want, the person you’ve been following online for like, oh, like at least.
Five, six years to me. But like, I just am such a fan of your work and I love the Enneagram. Um, so I’m just so excited that you’re today. That is like
Ashton: the
Julie: greatest compliment
Ashton: ever. ’cause I, my gosh, want, I just want people to like know me. I mean, I’m a two, right? So I just want show the real me and want, you know, people to see that.
And I’m glad it comes out that way.
Julie: Oh, absolutely it does. All right, we’re gonna get started with the system reboot. A quick little reset to start our episode today with some humor and humanity. Okay, Ashton, if you had to create a personal out of office message based solely on your Enneagram type, what would it say?
Ashton: The first thing that came to my mind was like, you know, as, as an Enneagram too, which I’m sure we’ll talk about. The first thing that came to my mind was, don’t hate me. I’m so sorry that I didn’t get your email, or I can’t respond to your email right now, but I promise you I’ll respond as soon as I can.
Julie: I love that.
Okay. What is an odd micro skill that you are super proud of?
Ashton: What am I really good at?
Julie: Um, too many things
Ashton: to name. No, I, my one that I used to always say was like, I was a trained classical pianist and nobody like knows this about me, but I feel like, okay, I just can’t even say that anymore ’cause I haven’t like actually played in a while.
But I would say that’s a pretty cool micro skill to have.
Julie: That is absolutely brag worthy. Okay. And what is your most irrational pet peeve?
Ashton: Ugh. How much time do we have? I hate when people say, so I did a thing. I, that’s fair. That’s such a pet peeve of mine. I don’t know why, but it’s like I did a thing. And then an insert thing.
Julie: Oh yeah. Oh, you know what? I hate that too. My number one irrational pet peeve though is when people say first annual. Oh, I, it, it physically pains me. Like just say inaugural. Yeah, just say inaugural it. It’s not the first annual, even if somehow you already have the second one planned, it isn’t because it hasn’t happened.
It’s not the first annual, um, on our first wedding anniversary and my husband wrote on the Instagram post, uh, happy First Annual because he knew it would make me laugh. Oh, yeah. But I was just like. Divorce immediately. Immediately, immediately. Divorce.
Ashton: Uh, if you wanna talk about Enneagram pet peeves, like my biggest Enneagram pet peeve is when people say their wing is like, I’m a three wing eight, or I’m a one wing seven, not possible.
Seven. Yeah. And I’m like, it’s not possible. So that is quite literally like nails on a chalkboard to me. I, when people say that,
Julie: I learned that from you, that your wing has to be. Like, what’s next to your number? Yeah, because I thought at first I was like, oh yeah, I’m, I’m this type. Mostly and like a little bit this type.
So that’s probably what it is. And it’s like, no, no. That’s not what wing means, right?
Ashton: Yeah. But
Julie: I
Ashton: try to give people grace who are just starting out, when in reality I’m like, read the books,
Julie: listen to me. That is fair. All right everyone, you have met the personality. Now meet the powerhouse. Here is my conversation with Ashton on the system for Enneagram aligned entrepreneurship.
Okay, so we are gonna get into why the Enneagram matters for entrepreneurs. So let’s start with like the big picture here. I mean, many of us out there, especially, you know, it had like a renaissance and it was so popular for a bit that so many of us know our numbers. I mean, maybe we even have it in our Instagram bio, but how many of us actually.
Use that information when we’re making business decisions. So what is the difference between just knowing your type like I am an eight, versus like actually designing your workflows and your boundaries and your goals really around that.
Ashton: Yeah, so it’s, so the goal of the Enneagram, I mean, it’s great to figure out your type and it’s great to, you know, be able to have those conversations with people about, this is my type, what’s your type, et cetera.
But if we don’t do anything with the information, then we’re missing the whole point of the Enneagram because it’s so much more than just. Understanding what your type is, it’s, let’s put that into action. Let’s implement what we’ve learned. So what we know about the Enneagram is that it’s not about your behaviors, it’s about your motivations behind your behaviors.
So instead of, you know, let’s say that in entrepreneurship, you know, a behavior would be generating ideas. Right, but it’s the motivation behind why you enjoy generating ideas, and that’s what comes down to your Enneagram type. So myself and you, like we have different Enneagram types, and so we’re probably both.
I would be willing to bet that you’re a big picture kind of person. Is that right?
Julie: Yes. I mean, I love all the logistics and little details of like doing it. I mean, that’s what made me a good wedding planner. But even those, I feel like that for me is factoring into the big picture. Yeah.
Ashton: Mm-hmm. Yeah. And so the reason why you enjoy big picture is going to be different than some other types.
So once we can understand that, we can truly understand, you know, what’s motivating us. To show up daily in this entrepreneur world that we’re in and what we need to do in order to be successful.
Julie: Why do you think that the Enneagram resonates so deeply? Especially with entrepreneurs? I found, you know, especially like a few years ago, I would mention it and most of my friends wouldn’t necessarily know what it was, but everyone I knew in the entrepreneurship world knew what it was instantly.
Ashton: I think because as entrepreneurs we have so many different things that we have to do, right? Like day in and day out. We’re not just doing, you know, if we work with clients, it’s not just the client work that we’re doing, we’re also doing the admin side of our business. If we’re, you know, podcasting, we’re not just podcasting, we’re doing, we’re wearing all of these different hats and the Enneagram and understanding your Enneagram type kind of gives you like one.
Overarching hat that you’re wearing, or like I, I like to explain it as like, it’s like the umbrella of our beha, of our personality, and then all of the other things kind of fall underneath the umbrella, right? So yes, we’re an entrepreneur, but we are an Enneagram eight who’s an entrepreneur. And therefore I function this way because these are my motivations.
And I think too, entrepreneurs just have a motivation to learn. And better themselves, like they kind of have this desire to improve, and by utilizing the Enneagram, you’re able to improve yourself and have a better understanding of you and those around you.
Julie: Ah, okay. Awesome. Have you ever seen like a really big shift when someone moves from just identifying with OM three to actually applying it in their day-to-day work?
Is that what it’s like to, to, to work with you to do that? Coaching is that people see those results from applying it.
Ashton: Totally. Because the reality is, is that sometimes the Enneagram doesn’t make us feel really great about ourselves, right? Like the Enneagram kind of gives us that punch in the gut feeling sometimes where you don’t really wanna admit that some of these things relate to you, but they do.
And so you know, people who don’t use the Enneagram for growth. They’re taking that knowledge and they’re like, ha ha. You know, like, that’s just me and that’s just who I am. And then they just go on their merry way. But those who are using it to shift are becoming better versions of themselves. They might be more motivated as an entrepreneur.
They might be really like walking into the things that make them come alive because they’re able to understand the way that they work better instead of just like. Expectations that are placed on us because of what other people are doing, because the type of entrepreneur that you are is going to be different than the type of entrepreneur that I need to be because we’re motivated by different things, but we don’t know that if we don’t know our type.
Right. And so that’s why it’s ah, yes. That’s why it’s a struggle. You know, when to figure out, you know, people will come to me and be like, I, I have wanna make a career change. And I’m like, where do I even start? And I’m like, well, let’s start at the beginning. Yeah. Not what, not what your like next door neighbor did to like leave their job, because that’s probably not gonna work for you.
Let’s talk about specifically what is going to work for you and your personality to get to where you want to go.
Julie: That is, that is so good. ’cause my, so my, I am, I mean, to a T eight wing seven, I mean, couldn’t be more. Mm-hmm. My husband is a nine wing one and there is just so much like about us separately and us together as a couple that is just so like.
Not fueled by the Enneagram, but, but that I’ve learned from the Enneagram and like brought that into mm-hmm. Like the way we communicate and stuff. And I think it’s just been awesome. And he works a corporate job and the way things go at his job when things happen and I’m like, Ooh, this is how I would reply to that email.
He’s like, well, I would get fired. Um, no. And I’m like, oh, I have to like, take a step back and be like. Mm. Okay. Everyone can’t do everything the same way you do it, Julie,
Ashton: so very common for aids.
Julie: Oh yeah. Yeah. We’ll just bulldoze right over you. Yep. But like from the heart. Yeah, from the heart. It’s passion.
Totally. So how does your type influence the way you build? Your business then from the ground up, what are some common work patterns or you know, traps you see for different types? Like who’s most likely to over deliver? Who’s most likely to undercharge or to avoid visibility? Mm-hmm.
Ashton: So, you know, it goes back to those motivations.
And so for people who are undercharging, it’s going to be those who tend to be people pleasers, like Enneagram twos who just want to be loved and wanted, right? Mm-hmm. Enneagram. Fours who just wanna make a difference. You know? They just like wanna make a difference and wanna be special. And so however they can get to that point, even like Enneagram sixes, sometimes they have.
The strongest connection to fear itself. And they want to feel safe, and so they have a hard time kind of stepping out of the box or really like taking a risk because they tend to do the safe thing. Nines also tend to be people pleasers because Oh yeah. They, you know, don’t wanna have conflict. Mm-hmm.
They’re like, well, if I continue to undercharge, then um, everything will be comfortable conversation. Yeah. Yeah. Everything will be great. Or if they like, um. Yeah, if they accidentally undercharge somebody, like they’ll never get, they’ll never see the money again. Like they’re not bringing that up. Threes are going to be like extra visible.
Threes are called the achiever, so they like love to show. So stereotypically, they’re a lot of entrepreneurs that are threes, and that’s because like, they’re highly motivated by success. Mm-hmm. And that’s kind of the, you know. Spaces of an entrepreneur and they’re called the achiever. So, and they also love to be seen and celebrated for the things that they do.
So they’re going to be the ones that are highly visible. The ones who kind of hide behind the things that they’re doing are going to be your fives, your uh, sixes. Sometimes the fives. Their biggest fear is being depleted, so whether that looks like emotionally depleted, physically depleted, financially depleted, and so they have to really work hard to reserve their energy.
So when they go into like networking events or conferences or things like that, that tends to be like their worst nightmare because they have to expend so much of their energy. I’m trying to, trying to think at the conference if there were any fives that I met. That makes total sense.
Julie: I actually only know one five in real life, so Yeah, that’s, yeah.
And when I think of her I’m like, yeah, that is how she would be. Mm-hmm. That, that totally makes sense. It’s ’cause I would say I know the least about five. Because they’re very
Ashton: reserved, very withdrawn, but very much like in that head, it’s likely to
Julie: have taken in the Enneagram test.
Ashton: Right? So they’re the ones that come to me and they’re like, I don’t wanna be labeled, or like, I don’t wanna be put in a box.
And I’m like, that’s not the point of this. The point of this is like you’re already in a box, let show you how to get outta that box.
Julie: Ugh. Yes. Okay. Would you be willing to walk us through how like a few different Enneagram types might like naturally structure their business? Like how they might like approach an offer or pricing or even like a client experience?
Ashton: Yeah, so I didn’t really talk about ones a lot yet. So ones are the reformer and they’re really focused on doing the right. Thing. And so where ones, where entrepreneurs might get stuck is when they feel like everything needs to be perfect before they launch or move forward or do anything. And so they’re, they stereotypically are called like the perfectionist sometimes, but they’re gonna structure their business knowing that like everything is right, everything’s correct.
They have all of their ducks in a row, so to speak, but they might, uh, have a hard time just kind of moving forward because of that need for perfection. Mm. Twos are going to be very like people centered, heart focused, so like their business is going, is going to reflect that like you’re, they’re going to make sure that their business is taking care of people’s needs and the client’s needs and client.
Flow, like everything is, uh, meaningful to the to the people. Sevens are great at generating ideas. So, oh yeah. They have big ideas. They move fast, they move quickly. They kind of like impulsively move forward and then they might obsessively think about it later, but they might struggle with follow through sometimes.
And that’s because they’re always thinking about what’s next. Mm-hmm. So, and, and what’s new? Like what’s next and what’s new? What can I do? And so when I work with sevens who are entrepreneurs. For when I work with entrepreneurs who are sevens, it’s a lot of, I start maybe like this digital product or something, and then I don’t finish it because I think about the next one that I want to create, and then I work on that one until it’s not shiny and new anymore and then I, or or offer or digital product or whatever that looks like.
And so like the follow through to completion can be difficult.
Julie: Okay. If someone is listening to. Thinking like, oh no, like I built a business that is serving everyone but me. Like how can they start to shift that?
Ashton: Yeah, so I mean, it’s cliche and. To say and cheesy kind of, but like you have to understand, no, bring it on.
I’d love it. Your type and who you are, right? Like you don’t know what you don’t know. Mm-hmm. And so, you know, a lot of people go into entrepreneurship and they’re just like, well, I’ll figure it out. And that’s great, but you have to. Also figure out yourself so that you can focus on your business, right?
Because you have to understand the things that you are naturally good at, just based on who you are and your Enneagram type. And then you have to figure out the things that might take a little bit more work, and you either take the time to work on those things or you delegate so that people who are naturally good at those things can step into your business and help you out in that sort of way.
Julie: Okay. That is literally a perfect transition as if we rehearsed this, because I wanna talk about those Enneagram collaboration dynamics. I mean, we don’t run our businesses in a vacuum. Yeah. You know, we work with clients and collaborators and sometimes people have full teams and Wow. Does your Enneagram type show up in those relationships too, so, mm-hmm.
How can you know people who are just totally different types, communicate, advocate. Deal with tension. That’s, that’s a huge one. Mm-hmm.
Ashton: Yeah, so the best way that I can describe it is by, you know, telling you a little bit about the people that I’ve worked with on my team. So, oh, great. I’m a two and my Rehan gal is a three, and so she is the go-getter.
Like she takes the task and gets it done. Whereas I’m more of the like, I have the idea and I know I wanna serve these people, I wanna help these people, but how do I get from point A to point B? And then as a three, she’s able to take that and run with it. Before I had her, I had an Enneagram nine. Who had an eight wing, so I really wanna talk about that.
She was a really healthy, ennea, crim nine, but she had an eight wing. And so she would often deal with a lot of like the client communication that I didn’t want to deal with as a two. Oh yes. Right. And so, so, um, you know, those kinds of things are really helpful when I am working with aids. You know, they’re like giving me the honest truth.
Whether it’s like brutally honest or not, they’re giving me what I need to hear that I’m not telling myself. And so that’s kind of what these relationships can do is, you know, if you have an eight or a three or a one who are so focused on like the characteristic of honesty and truth and justice, you know, they are going to be the ones who kind of tell it like it is.
And some of us who aren’t like that, we kind of need that to be able to move forward in our businesses. I.
Julie: Uh, yes, absolutely. I, I mean, coming from, I didn’t do this in the wedding world. I didn’t know about the, the Enneagram at the time. Um, but as I moved into VA work in 2016 and then doing like a lot of one-on-one stuff with wedding pros and things like that, and I was doing system overhauls and I just, especially when it was just short term projects, I was like, well, I need to know how you work and how you work quickly.
And I felt like I worked. Really well, especially with people. ’cause I’m an eight and I felt like I worked really well with people like Sevens who had all those big ideas. And then I had to be like, okay, hi, look at me. Here’s what we’re doing, here’s what we’re focusing on. This is what we’re doing now. And I, you know, got to break it all down for them.
And I had the hardest time with twos. Mm-hmm. And I’ve gotten, especially just. In my age, and as I’ve become a mother, like I’ve gotten a lot more patient, I’ve gotten a lot more empathetic, which is, that’s good. That’s growth. I used to be like, I don’t care if anyone hates me, but now I’m like, ah, maybe I should be nicer.
But I, I found myself sometimes having a hard time with twos because I was like, oh God, you’re so delicate, and I. I’m like, I don’t wanna like, hurt your feelings. And I’m like, I don’t know any other way to say this. That doesn’t hurt someone’s feelings or like, isn’t. I don’t, like, I, I just, I didn’t know how to approach things and I found that like when I started to work through some of those things, it, I.
Got easier. Mm-hmm. So how can, you know, understanding your Enneagram type really help you protect your energy and client relationships or collaborative work? You know, are there any type pairings you’ve seen that tend to naturally flow really well or any combinations that, I mean, tend to really bump head it’s, unless there’s like a strong system in place.
Mm-hmm. So
Ashton: you knowing your Enneagram type, you’re gonna know what. Burns you out and what recharges you, right? Because what burns me out is going to be different as a two than what. Does that to you as an eight. So that is, is the first thing. So the ones that might butt heads and struggle the most are, is any sort of combination of like one, three, and eight.
And this is because ones, threes and eights all like to be in control and so, and so it’s kind of like this battle for control between the three. I always like to explain it as, no, that’s fair. Like to be in control of like the small details and they’re kind of known to be like micromanagers. Whereas yeah, I can see that threes like to just like finish the project and be in control of like the end result.
And then eights, they like to be in control of like the big picture. Or like the whole project One time. One time. I say one time, like I had one baby shower. Okay. One time I had a baby shower, uh, I had a baby shower, and my sister is an eight and my best friend is a one. And so it was like this battle of like, who’s throwing the baby shower and like what role are, are they each playing?
And I was watching this, you know, from afar and realizing that my friend, who was the one who was like taking control of like the games, the food, like all of the things kind of inside, whereas my sister was like, here’s the venue, here’s the time, here’s the invite. You know, like, here’s the, the guest list.
Uh, more on like the big picture things, which was interesting to see. Yeah. The ones that work really well together are going to be, um, you know, if like twos and. Four sixes, nines, they’re all like so focused on their people like relationships. Yeah. Right. But it’s not that they’re gonna be the only ones that work well together, it’s just, you know, people ask me all the time about compatibility with the Enneagram, and I always, yeah.
Say there’s no. Type that is best for you. It’s understanding the characteristics of each of you and how you can look at the things that work really well, and then also look at the characteristics that, ooh, that might be a blind spot that you might need to spend some more time on.
Julie: Uh, yeah, I absolutely love because if, you know, 10 years ago you had put, I mean, my husband’s general characteristics on a piece of paper, like Yeah, of course.
But some of those like type ninex, like details. Mm-hmm. I would’ve been like, oh, what? That won’t mesh with me, huh? Yes. And like when in reality like, we are such a perfect fit. It’s ridiculous. Yeah.
Ashton: I see a lot of eights and nines, to be honest. Oh, yeah.
Julie: It’s a good combo, I gotta tell you. Yeah. Highly recommend.
Yeah. What would do, again, do you have any advice for anyone that’s like, you know, struggling with a team dynamic or partnership where the personalities are just really different?
Ashton: Really just seek to understand where other people are coming from and I know that that is like a very obvious, that’s just
Julie: also good life at advice, right?
Right. That is life’s advice that I feel like I learned later in my life.
Ashton: Yeah, and it’s a, it’s kind of like what you said before where, you know, start to understand that not everybody is going to A, think the way that you do, and b, do things the way that you do. And so that’s why the Enneagram with Teen Dynamics can be so helpful because you start to understand, oh, this is how I were.
On a team, and this is how this person works on a team and the fact that they’ve been doing this and it’s been annoying me so much, like I can offer a little bit more compassion or understanding because I know that they’re just wired differently. It’s not an excuse knowing their Enneagram type, but it sure helps in those relationships.
Julie: Oh, absolutely. I, I have to bring up, before we close it out here, I have to bring up, I, when I first started learning about the Enneagram, my favorite thing to do was send the test to my friends and be like. Okay. I guess I’m guessing what you are like, then tell me what you got and then like, see if I got there, type right.
I know that you hate that, that you’re like, you can’t type other people. Don’t
Ashton: do that. Remember when you asked me about my pet peeve? I’m just kidding. Everything. It’s only because when we’re looking at other people, we’re seeing their behaviors and we’re not seeing their motivations. So that’s why it’s difficult to Okay type people, unless you’re having those conversations with them.
Like it was pretty easy for me to, uh, see that my sister was an eight because Yeah. You know, we’ve known each other. My entire life and just, you know, I know what motivates her, but for most people, you know, it’s difficult because we’re only seeing their behaviors. But once you figure out their motivations, then that’s what determines their Enneagram type.
Julie: I do love some of those sillier like Enneagram accounts though, that are like, this is what Leslie note is. Yeah. This is what Pam Halper is like. Mm-hmm. I like those. Yeah. All right, Ashton, where can everyone find you on the interwebs? Tell us about your latest courses, offerings, how can we learn from you, buy from you, et cetera.
Ashton: I do a lot of team, uh, workshops and speaking events, and then I also train people how to take the Enneagram to their workplace. So if that’s something you’re interested in, I would love to help you out. I also have a membership that is just for Enneagram twos, so we talk a lot about things that twos might be stronger.
Struggling but with, you can find me@enneagramashton.com or Enneagram. Ashton, literally everywhere.
Julie: Yes. And she is very worth the follow people. All right. Now we are gonna log off the serious stuff and head to the system. Shut down. Um, my husband and I are finally watching the final season of you. Yes. We have a newborn and we are behind and no, I don’t want spoilers.
Thank you. Although hopefully by the time this comes out, I finished. I’m really loving it so far, but the biggest plot twist for me has been, did you guys know that Anna Camp can act. Like actually act like not just pitch perfect side character, act like I don’t know what I was expecting, but it wasn’t range.
I mean, she is giving depth and nuance. Like honestly, I might owe her a handwritten apology and a rewatch of the help with fresh eyes. All right guys. That’s it for, for now. Find me over on Instagram at Dallas. Girl Friday, and if you are enjoying the show, please give us five stars and leave a review.
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